If you honored the Torah you would follow it. The Jews said at Mount Sinai "We will do and obey."
ספר שמות פרק כד-זfaith of Christ
ויקח ספר הברית ויקרא באזני העם ויאמרו כל אשר דבר ידוד נעשה ונשמע
I have heard this business since I was a kid, and it never moved me. The word Christ is not a Hebrew word. You cannot make an argument against Judaism, or even for Judaism, by using the vernacular of another culture. Hebrew is the "Holy Language" and was designated to be used to convey the ideas in Judaism. The "New Testament" was written in Greek-the language of idolatry and Hellenism. Talking about a belief in a person is not meaningful in Judaism.
The Jews have made a god of the Torah, while ignoring the God of the Torah.
One of the problems with Christianity, beginning with Yeshu himself was the abandonment of the Oral Torah that was communicated to Moses and passed on to the Jews. Part of that Tradition relates:
The Torah, Israel, and G-d are OneSo your above statement is rendered insignificant. The Torah is how G-d chose to reveal Himself in this world. One of the "Ten Commandments" is to believe in G-d so obviously Jews aren't ignoring Him.
אורייתא ישראל וקב"ה חד הוא
ספר אמרי אמת-שבועות
I am not saying God is a man.
Yes you are!
He made man in His image, so it is no wonder that He has appeared as a man
There is a difference between a messenger of G-d and G-d. This leads to replacing G-d with another entity, which is where you are heading.
His great work for mankind was taking on human existence...
This is hardcore idolatry-snap out of it!
We cannot do it on our own; on that the Tenach is very clear.
The Hebrew Bible-תנ"ך, was compiled by the Men of the Great Assembly. The Talmud explains:
order and authorship of the תנ"ךIt is clear that Jewish Sages wrote down the Scriptures and chose the order and which books to include. Your criticism of Rabbinical Judaism is absolutely illogical. One cannot think the Hebrew Bible is significant and attack the Rabbis or חז"ל simultaneously!
בבא בתרא י"ד-ב
Who wrote the Scriptures? — Moses wrote his own book and the portion of Balaam18 and Job. Joshua wrote the book which bears his name and [the last] eight verses of the Pentateuch.19 Samuel wrote the book which bears his name and the Book of Judges and Ruth. David wrote the Book of Psalms, including in it the work of the elders, namely, Adam, Melchizedek, Abraham, Moses, Heman, Yeduthun, Asaph, and the three sons of Korah.1 Jeremiah wrote the book which bears his name, the Book of Kings, and Lamentations. Hezekiah and his colleagues wrote (Mnemonic YMSHK)2 Isaiah,3 Proverbs,4 the Song of Songs and Ecclesiastes. The Men of the Great Assembly wrote (Mnemonic KNDG)5 Ezekiel,6 the Twelve Minor Prophets,7 Daniel and the Scroll of Esther. Ezra wrote the book that bears his name8 and the genealogies of the Book of Chronicles up to his own time. This confirms the opinion of Rab, since Rab Judah has said in the name of Rab: Ezra did not leave Babylon to go up to Eretz Yisrael until he had written his own genealogy. Who then finished it [the Book of Chronicles]? — Nehemiah the son of Hachaliah.
The Master has said: Joshua wrote the book which bears his name and the last eight verses of the Pentateuch. This statement is in agreement with the authority who says that eight verses in the Torah were written by Joshua, as it has been taught: [It is written], So Moses the servant of the Lord died there.9 Now is it possible that Moses being dead could have written the words, ‘Moses died there’? The truth is, however, that up to this point Moses wrote, from this point Joshua wrote. This is the opinion of R. Judah, or, according to others, of R. Nehemiah. Said R. Simeon to him: Can [we imagine the] scroll of the Law being short of one word, and is it not written, Take this book of the Law?10 No; what we must say is that up to this point the Holy One, blessed be He, dictated and Moses repeated and wrote, and from this point God dictated and Moses wrote with tears, as it says of another occasion, Then Baruch answered them, He pronounced all these words to me with his mouth, and I wrote them with ink in the book.11 Which of these two authorities is followed in the rule laid down by R. Joshua b. Abba which he said in the name of R. Giddal who said it in the name of Rab: The last eight verses of the Torah must be read [in the Synagogue service] by one person alone?12 — It follows R. Judah and not R. Simeon. I may even say, however, that it follows R. Simeon, [who would say that] since they differ [from the rest of the Torah] in one way, they differ in another.
(18) The parables of Balaam in Num. XXIII, XXIV.
(19) Recording the death of Moses.
(1) To Adam are ascribed the verses, Thine eyes did see mine imperfect substance etc. (Ps. CXXXIX, 16); to Melchizedek Ps. CX; to Moses, Ps. XC. Abraham is identified with Ethan the Ezrahite (Ps. LXXXIX).
(2) h = Yeshaiah (Isaiah); n = Mishle (Proverbs); a = Shir ha-Shirim (Song of Songs); e =Koheleth (Ecclesiastes). The word ‘wrote’ here seems to have the meaning of ‘edited’ or ‘published’.
(3) According to Rashi, Isaiah was executed by Manasseh before he could reduce his own prophecies to writing.
(4) V. Prov. XXV, 1.
(5) e = Ezekiel; b = Shenem ‘Asar (Twelve minor prophets); s = Daniel;d = Megillath Esther (The Scroll of Esther).
(6) Rashi supposes that the reason why Ezekiel did not write his own book was that he lived out of Eretz Yisrael. The same reason applies to Daniel.
(7) Who apparently did not publish their prophecies themselves because they were too small.
(8) This includes Nehemiah.
(9) Deut. XXXIV, 5.
(10) Deut. XXXI, 26. And this was said by Moses before he died.
(11) Jer. XXXVI, 18.
(12) Apparently this means that it is not requisite that another person should stand by him, as in the case of the rest of the Torah. Or it may mean that these eight verses must always be read to (or by) one person only.
In the Tenach, God manifested Himself not only as a man, but also in the flame of fire in the midst of a bush to Moses...
If you read Rashi, which brings information that is missing in other interpretations other than Orthodox Judaism, he explains that it was an angel within the bush that spoke out to Moses NOT G-d Himself. This is how mistranslation and misinterpretation misleads and leads one to go off the path of Judaism. If you don't refer to the Oral tradition, it is no wonder you err in your understanding of Jewish Scriptures.
The word "angel" means "messenger."
You cannot use words in English to make an argument-English has no meaning in Judaism. Even Yeshu spoke Semitic languages!
The Messiah is also known as the Messenger (or Angel) of the Covenant
Where do you get this from-show me. Mashiach means anointed in Hebrew-he is to be a King of the Jewish people and a prophet-not the same as G-d! The purpose of the Messianic Era to so that all nations will come to know G-d is the King of the universe.
(Malachi 3:1 JPS)
Eleven years ago when I was in yeshiva studying for conversion to Judaism, I read the entire JPS Tanach. Why did I use a faulty conservative translation? My friends who went with me to the Jewish bookstore where I got it were not observant and they recommended it to me. I was too intimidated by the Hebrew of the Artscroll. Using a valid translation like the Artscroll will clarify a lot of your problems, Paul. It includes the commentaries of major Rabbinical figures and will allow you to understand apparent contradictions that you are seeing in Scriptures. Without offending your intelligence-quoting the JPS shows me that you have a juvenile understanding of Judaism.
I did not get that from Rashi or any other rabbi, but from God, as confirmed in His written Word.
You didn't get it from G-d-you got it from a scholar working for the Conservative Jews. A translation is actually a commentary. The meaning of Judaism isn't conveyed by the words of the Torah it actually comes from the words themselves-their roots and the order they appear in. Don't quote JPS and tell me this is authentic!
I am not saying God can die. I am saying God can become a man, can die,..
Go back and re-read this and tell me what you were smoking when you wrote this. What do you think the Lord thinks about one who writes this kind of nonsense about Him? Do you not have any fear of Heaven?
The father of those who have the faith of God was not dependent on a book or a place, or on any physical thing, but on God.
Abraham was a prophet. The past 2,000 years have been without prophesy. Because of the decline in generations, that which was understood and transmitted verbally is now written down. Judaism surely is dependent on place-the Land of Israel and especially Jerusalem have an absolutely fundamental role in Judaism. You should know this if you are a real Bible-thumper.
You are not a son of Abraham, by physical or spiritual birth.
I tell you now that I am an Orthodox convert to Judaism. My name in Hebrew ends "ben Avraham." If you choose to deny this, that is not my fault. Abraham is called "the Price of converts" in the Talmud, and all converts are "ben Avraham" or "bat Sarah," indicating that they are the spiritual children of the Patriarchs. That includes Ruth, Rahav, Onkelos, ect. How does one know who they are descended from? The Talmud says that 8 prophets came from the convert Rahav. How does one know that he is or isn't a physical decendant of Abraham? The early Christians were Jews who left and were assimilated. Other non-Jews converted to Judaism and have subsequently mixed with the Jewish people. This statement you are making is another false one. Why don't you be honest-I challenge you-tell me (us) what your lineage is! for all we know you could be anyone.
The Zohar has things backwards, putting the Torah before God, which is a symptom of the Jewish idolatry I spoke of in my letter. In essence, the Jews have been no different than the heathen – worse, in fact, because to the Jews was given more than the heathen have.
This is Christianity is all its stench. Jealous, disgusting, slanderous hatred of the Jewish People. The only "Jewish idolatry" was that of Yeshu and his confuse-niks in the time of the Mishnah. The Jews received the Torah with תום לב-an innocent heart, while all of the nations of the earth wanted to negotiate with G-d:
The goyim rejected the Torah and the Jews received itEssentially this Midrash explains that G-d offered all of the nations the Torah and each had an excuse why it didn't suit them. The Jews, before knowing what it was eagerly accepted it because they wanted to fulfill they will of G-d. So much for your slandering of the Jews.
פרקי דרבי אליעזר (היגר) - "חורב" פרק מ
ירידה ששית שירד לסיני, שנ' וירד ה' על הר סיני וכו', בששה בסיון נגלה על ישראל הב"ה /הקב"ה/ ובמקומו נגלה על הר סיני, ונפתחו השמים ונכנס ראש ההר בתוך השמים והערפל מכסה את ההר, והב"ה יושב על כסאו ורגליו עומדות על הערפל, שנ' ויט שמים וירד וערפל תחת רגליו, ר' טרפון אומ' זרח הב"ה ובא מהר סיני ונגלה על בני עשו, שנ' ויאמר ה' מסיני בא וזרח משעיר למו, ואין שעיר אלא בני עשו, שנ' וישב עשו בהר שעיר, אמ' להם הב"ה מקבלים אתם עליכם את התורה, אמרו לו ומה כתוב בה, אמ' להם לא תרצח, אמרו לו אין אנו יכולין לעזוב את הדבר שבירך יצחק את עשו, שאמ' לו ועל חרבך תחיה, ומשם חזר ונגלה על בני ישמעאל, שנ' הופיע מהר פארן, ואין פארן אלא בני ישמעאל, שנ' במדבר פארן, אמ' להם הב"ה מקבלים אתם את התורה, אמרו לו ומה כתוב בה, אמ' להם לא תגנוב, אמרו לו אין אנו יכולין לעזוב את הדבר שעשו אבותינו שגנבו את יוסף והורידוהו למצרים, שנ' כי גונוב גונבתי מארץ העברים, ומשם שלח מלאכים לכל אומות העולם, אמ' להם אתם מקבלים עליכם את התורה, אמרו לו ומה כתיב בה, אמ' להם לא יהיה לך אלהים אחרים על פני, אמרו לו אנו רואין שאין אנו יכולין להניח דת אבותינו שעבדו את האלילים אלא תן תורתך לעמך, שנ' ה' עוז לעמו יתן ה' יברך את עמו בשלום, ומשם חזר ונגלה על בני ישראל, שנ' ואתא מרבבות קדש, ואין רבבות אלא ישראל, שנ' ובנוחה יאמר שובה ה' רבבות אלפי ישראל, ועמו אלפי שנאן ורכב רבותים מלאכי קדש וימינו אוחזת את התורה, שנ' מימינו אש דת למו, מכאן אתה למד שדברי תורה כגחלי אש, ונתן להם בלשון חבה ובלשון שבועה, בלשון חבה שנ' שמאלו תחת לראשי, בלשון שבועה שנ' נשבע ה' בימינו ובזרוע עוזו, ואין ימינו אלא שבועה, שנ' נשבע ה' בימינו, ר' אליעזר אומ' מיום שיצאו ישראל ממצרים היו נוסעים וחונים בחלקלקות, שנ' ויסעו ויחנו, עד שבאו בהר סיני וחנו כלם נגד ההר, שנ' ויחן שם ישראל נגד ההר, אמ' להם הב"ה מקבלים אתם עליכם את התורה, אמרו לו כלם בפה אחד אנו שומרים את התורה ומוכנים לעשות ולקיים כל הכתוב בה, שנ' כל אשר ידבר ה' נעשה ונשמע
You are imbuing the Torah with a life of its own, apart from God...
Like the Snake in the Garden, you are trying to rationalize the will of G-d, as to convince one it is not necessary to abide by His precepts. G-d is too much for humans to fathom-that is why when Moses return from Mount Sinai, he had to wear a vail to cover the spiritual radiation that was eminating from him. It was forbidden for Jews to touch the mountain as they awaited the Giving of the Torah-G-d's presence is too powerful to endure. Only through the revealed aspects of Judaism can one come "close" to G-d.
Your notion of the holiness of the former Temple mount is pure superstition,
Your notion of Judaism is pure superstition. It smells of Christianity that you attempt to systematically deconstruct the Torah and its framework. You slander the house of G-d and then pretend that it is religion you are promoting?
rightly cited and applied in all of our writings...
You use Jewish scripture to ensnare Jews into idolatry and false worship. JPS is not even a valid translation, sir.
you are the idolater, not I
You are both an idolater and a liar.
where the man of sin now resides
Gee, is this one of Santa's little elves you are speaking of? Is this one of your imaginary friends, Paul?
If you think you will please Him by embracing Judaism (and you do), you are mistaken.
I am pleasing Him by refuting heretics like yourself!
The Mosque of Omar is representative of your spiritual state of being.
Now your are a Muslim, Paul?
you react as a stubborn pedant...
This is a pointless argument-I would say the same about you. You don't have a command of Hebrew and I would assume, even Greek. I probably know the "New Testament" better than you do, and I didn't grow up a Christian!
Because you pray by formally addressing the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, does not mean He hears your prayers. That is more superstition. It is trusting in your religious form, and not in the One you presume to be worshipping. Isaiah addressed this ignorant and lawless spirit:
Notice I give you the courtesy of quoting your statements and then answering. I don't just fire away at you. It is not superstition-this is your jealousy of the relationship between the Jews and G-d and your conniving to insert a false intermediary between Him and mankind. Quoting Isaiah is so cliche, Paul. The JPS is childish-go learn Hebrew I think that will correct some of your issues.
Where do you find the Torah giving any such command?
Leviticus 23:36In Israel Simchat Torah and Shemini Atzeret are celebrated on the same day-they are a combined holiday. Furthermore, the Shulchan Aruch mentions Simchat Torah explicitly (Orach Chayim 669).
Seven days you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord; on the eighth day shall be a holy gathering to you; and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord; it is a solemn assembly; and you shall do no labor in it.
it was the Jews who tore it down..
Don't be insolent here-the wicked Roman Empire-namely Titus-was responsible for this. The fact that Jews were on a low point spiritually doesn't excuse Rome's treachery. You Yeshu-types never like to quote this from the prophets:
Ovadia 1:21Who is Esau? Rome and that which came from it. Who was Ovadia? An Edomite convert to Judaism (Talmud-Sanhedrin 39b).
And saviors shall ascend Mount Zion to judge the Mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord’s.
So it is plain that you, Justin, as a Torah idolater, attribute to the Torah that which it does not say, and are wholly ignorant of what It does say.
Don't give me this garbage, stick-boy. Look above and see who is the ignoramus. Furthermore, "we will do and obey!" The Torah is not in Heaven-it was meant to be obeyed here on Earth-not subverted by treachery and false prophets-like your hero Yeshu. It takes two of you weaklings to debate with me-what does that say about you all?
...those who worship the Scriptures as you do are blind to Their contents and essence?
It is you who literally worship Jewish scriptures-even not knowing that the same Rabbinical authorities you resent were the ones who compiled them! Who is blind? Torah Judaism is based on an understanding of the Chumash through the Oral Torah which the early Christians abandoned for heathenism, beer and pizza, trailer parks, velvet Elvis, and ham and cheese deluxe! Was it worth it-trading the birthright for tattoos and 2,000 years of world wars?
you are utterly bereft of any wisdom and understanding
You are quoting passages from a "Jewish" translation-albeit heretical-of the Torah and I am the one who lacks understanding? Go out and buy yourself an Artscroll, folks! It is juvenile of you to throw the JPS back at me.
...Simchat Torah is not in the Torah. Its existence is due to precisely what we have told you: Jews have made an idol of the Torah and worship It rather than God.
The Torah is the entire body of Judaism. I showed you why it is celebrated as a Torah holiday in Israel. Furthermore, I have met former J4J converts to Judaism who said they that had "Bar Mitzvas!" This ceremony is Rabbinical as well-did you not know that?
You have invented a "holy-day" in honor of your idol, which God commands against in the Torah:
Simchat Torah is Rabbinical outside of Israel-Shemini Atzeret is "from the Torah." However, Hanukkah is a Rabbinically enacted festival that Christians certainly are aware of and I have seen acknowledge and participate in. You are quick to throw out this idolatry nonsense in order to cover up your own transgressions. The Torah gives the Rabbis the authority to make Torah rulings and obliges Jews to follow them:
Deuteronomy 17:11By violating the Torah..
According to the sentence of the Torah which they shall teach you, and according to the judgment which they shall tell you, you shall do; you shall not decline from the sentence which they shall declare to you, to the right hand, nor to the left.
If you are a Christian, why do you care about the Torah?
serving yourselves instead in all your perverse and unprofitable ways
Listen here, trailer-boy: You are being a bit lose with your lip. Christians and other non-Jews have done their share of murder and perversion. This is not the way to talk about the Chosen People. It is you who is profiting from the sorrow of the Jews-leeching off of Jewish scriptures in your jealous, angry rage. If you care so much about the Torah's precepts, why don't you "make tsuvah" and return to Judaism-if you are a Jew. Furthermore, I have given my background to you and I expect the same from any of you who is responding to me. Also, if you throw aggressive language at me you are going to have it thrown back at you: I give no quarter and don't turn a cheek. I learned that in Virginia, the hard way from goyim like you all. Don't expect me to pay heed to quotes from the "JPS." Use your GPS and find the nearest Jewish bookstore and get yourself an Artscroll Chumash because quoting other Jewish heretics complicates your argument, not mine.
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Paul Cohen's original letter to me was:
Wednesday, August 26, 2009
I am not saying we should not honor the Torah.
I am saying that without the faith of Christ you cannot establish the Law of God. The Jews have made a god of the Torah, while ignoring the God of the Torah.
We are not part of nominal orthodox Christianity.
We, along with all of God's children, are the destroyers of it.
I am not saying God is a man.
I am saying God is a Spirit, and can manifest Himself however He chooses. He made man in His image, so it is no wonder that He has appeared as a man, even as He did when He visited Abraham just before destroying Sodom and Gomorrah . His great work for mankind was taking on human existence and fulfilling the Law to enable us to do the same by His grace and power. We cannot do it on our own; on that the Tenach is very clear.
In the Tenach, God manifested Himself not only as a man, but also in the flame of fire in the midst of a bush to Moses and in the likeness of four living creatures in the midst of fire to Ezekiel. Rambam is wrong if he says that God never takes on form. And who cares what a man that contradicts the Scriptures says? The man is a prating fool. Are you surprised? You need to not be.
We are not attributing power to any source other than God.
Jesus Christ did all His works by the power of God, and so do those who believe in Him. That is His purpose in coming, to connect us to God, not so that we can do our own thing, but to do the works of God.
The word "angel" means "messenger." The Messiah is also known as the Messenger (or Angel) of the Covenant, the Lord Whom men seek:
"Behold, I send My messenger, and he shall clear the way before Me; and the Lord, Whom ye seek, will suddenly come to His temple, and the Messenger of the Covenant, Whom ye delight in, behold, He cometh, saith the LORD of hosts" (Malachi 3:1 JPS).
The Angel of the Lord is God making His will known to human kind, as He did with Abraham and Joshua. I did not get that from Rashi or any other rabbi, but from God, as confirmed in His written Word.
I am not saying God can die. I am saying God can become a man, can die, and can then raise Himself from the dead signifying to all mankind that He holds the keys of death and hell. In fact, only God can do that. Jesus Christ proved He was God by raising His body from the dead. But whenever God appeared to men, it was also demonstrated that He still sustained all life by His Spirit. The earth didn't collapse, but things went on as before, because He still fills the universe. Why should it be any different when He came in Christ?
Yes, Abraham lived before the Torah. That does not negate my point. The father of those who have the faith of God was not dependent on a book or a place, or on any physical thing, but on God. So are all his children. You are not a son of Abraham, by physical or spiritual birth.
The Zohar has things backwards, putting the Torah before God, which is a symptom of the Jewish idolatry I spoke of in my letter. In essence, the Jews have been no different than the heathen – worse, in fact, because to the Jews was given more than the heathen have.
You are imbuing the Torah with a life of its own, apart from God, when it is merely a portion of His expressed wisdom and works. Just as a book is not more than its author, but the author is more than it, so is God much more than the Bible.
The wisdom of God as expressed in the Bible is rightly cited and applied in all of our writings. Have you red anything on our site, Justin?
Start with: Israel, Is Your God Unjust?
Your notion of the holiness of the former Temple mount is pure superstition, a hallmark of heathen religion. It proves exactly what I said about you - you are the idolater, not I. If the place where the Holy of Holies stood was so sacred to God, do you think He would allow a Muslim mosque, the abomination of desolation, to sit on or near it?
Yet He has allowed that to happen in your heart, where the man of sin now resides, which place is far more important to Him than any piece of real estate on earth. That is what you fail to recognize, not knowing God's mind or what He is actually doing here. If you think you will please Him by embracing Judaism (and you do), you are mistaken.
But you are right that you are in a state of impurity and disallowed access to the Holy Place , which is God Himself, and not a physical place. The Mosque of Omar is representative of your spiritual state of being.
We do not disparage the Jewish nation, unless you count what Moses and the prophets said to the Jews as disparagement. Then we too are guilty.
You really need to familiarize yourself with what we say in Israel and the Jew, if you want to converse with us. As of now, you mistake what I say at every turn, don't bother to pay attention to what is readily available to you, and compound your confusion. I would hope that you would listen to sound reason and direction, but you react as a stubborn pedant. I would be pleased to be proven wrong on this count.
Because you pray by formally addressing the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, does not mean He hears your prayers. That is more superstition. It is trusting in your religious form, and not in the One you presume to be worshipping. Isaiah addressed this ignorant and lawless spirit:
Isaiah 29:13-14 JPS
(13) And the Lord said: Forasmuch as this people draw near, and with their mouth and with their lips do honor Me, but have removed their heart far from Me, and their fear of Me is a commandment of men learned by rote;
(14) Therefore, behold, I will again do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder; and the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the prudence of their prudent men shall be hid.
Which exactly describes your condition and reply to me – they are without wisdom or prudence.
You say "…we are waiting for the Divine Presence and prophesy to return to the Jewish Nation"
That takes us back to The Key for Israel and the Jew, and our calling in God, which has brought His Presence and the Day of fulfillment of His prophetic Word to the nation of Israel, to raise it from the dead, whether you accept it or not.
Some words from brother in the Lord, Victor:
You write, “I am confused? If it is the Torah that gives this commandment, should we not honor it? Simcha Torah is a holiday from the Torah, if you don't remember. Perhaps you didn't learn that as a child? No excuse, because neither did I. That Wall is half torn down because your cronies tore it down-don't play stupid with me!”
Yes, Justin, you are confused, and Paul is not “playing stupid” with you. Where do you find the Torah giving any such command? Are you not more than just “playing” stupid? As for the tearing down of the Temple , it was the Jews who tore it down, not with their hands but with their rebellious hearts, provoking the Holy One of Israel to have it torn down because of their sins:
1 Kings 9:6-9 JPS
(6) But if ye shall turn away from following Me, ye or your children, and not keep My commandments and My statutes which I have set before you, but shall go and serve other gods, and worship them;
(7) then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; and this house, which I have hallowed for My name, will I cast out of My sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a by word among all peoples;
(8) and this house which is so high shall become desolate, and every one that passeth by it shall be astonished, and shall hiss; and when they shall say: Why hath the LORD done thus unto this land, and to this house?
(9) they shall be answered: Because they forsook the LORD their God, Who brought forth their fathers out of the land of Egypt , and laid hold on other gods, and worshipped them, and served them; therefore hath the LORD brought all this evil upon them.
So it is plain that you, Justin, as a Torah idolater, attribute to the Torah that which it does not say, and are wholly ignorant of what It does say.
Is it not a remarkable thing that those who worship the Scriptures as you do are blind to Their contents and essence? Which proves our point – only the Messiah Yeshua HaMashiach can give life to man, and wisdom, and deliver him from himself. He has done so for us, through His Spirit, and not by any effort or virtue of our own. That is the meaning of Ezekiel’s words when he said God would give that very needful new heart:
Ezekiel 36:22-28 JPS
(22) Therefore say unto the house of Israel : Thus saith the Lord GOD: I do not this for your sake, O house of Israel , but for My Holy Name, Which ye have profaned among the nations, whither ye came.
(23) And I will sanctify My great Name, Which hath been profaned among the nations, Which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the nations shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
(24) For I will take you from among the nations, and gather you out of all the countries, and will bring you into your own land.
(25) And I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean; from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
(26) A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.
(27) And I will put My spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and ye shall keep Mine ordinances, and do them.
(28) And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be My people, and I will be your God.
You do demonstrate in your stupidity (which you are not merely “playing”) that you are utterly bereft of any wisdom and understanding. You, Justin, are a damned, self-righteous, religious fool, a rotten copy of what you surmise to be pleasing to God.
Back to Paul:
As Victor brings up, Simchat Torah is not in the Torah. Its existence is due to precisely what we have told you: Jews have made an idol of the Torah and worship It rather than God.
While God commanded the keeping of the Feast of Tabernacles, Succoth, which signifies His coming and dwelling with man (through Jesus Christ and those in Him), you have tacked on Simchat Torah at the end of the holy Feast, lifting your idol above God. You have invented a "holy-day" in honor of your idol, which God commands against in the Torah:
"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you" (Deuteronomy 4:2 JPS).
By violating the Torah you are not able to keep God's commandments. Your idol does you no good, because you despise and reject It's Author, serving yourselves instead in all your perverse and unprofitable ways.
Paul
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