RS: What do you think the Jewish Theological Seminary teaches? Faux Judaism?
TK: YESSSS! That is the whole point of this blog…Richie-do you wear Wonder-Woman underoos while watching your favorite PBS telethon?
RS: If Tsadok, or whatever he calls himself,…
TK: Maybe I should have been born/chosen a cool name like “Richard Silverstein.” That way I can use self-hate and 2-year-old’s understanding of Judaism to bully the world into hating Israel! The fact that you have reproduced proves that natural selection doesn’t work (the Nazi’s were wrong).
Justin White: Red-Neck ‘Baal Teshuva’
RS: To my utter amazement, a reader wrote to defend Pegler and attack me.
TK: I wasn’t attacking you-I was asking how someone could be considered an “anti-Semite” if he married a Jew. If someone has a Jewish spouse, he is around Semitism all day long. That is common sense. Don’t all of your reform boyfriends have non-Jewish wives? You can identify with that Richie!
RS: Somewhere along the line he converted to Judaism.
TK: Yes-I was walking down the street and a wind blew me into a synagogue (Sefardic).
RS: At one time long ago, our religion actively proselytized.
TK: Huh? When? I lot of people ask me about this comment. Do you mean the reform movement 150 years ago? Aren’t they doing that now?
RS: …we didn’t refuse anyone who wanted to throw in their lot with us.
TK: How about those Jews who throw their lots with the enemy?
4. An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the Lord forever;
Apparently not dude! Whoops: Rabbi Brenda taught you something WRONG!
RS: Once someone did convert, there were very strict rules insisting that the community embrace baaley teshuva as if they were one of our own.
TK: A convert is someone with a non-Jewish mother. A חוזר בתשובה is someone who has at least a Jewish mother. Read the above response.
RS: But then a piece of work like Justin comes along…
TK: I think you plagiarized this from my mom.
RS: Isn’t it astonishing that some one who claims to be an Orthodox convert would make the claim that he’s witnessed Jewish behavior “many times” worse than anything Pegler noted?
I JUST videotaped a fight between a old Russian man and like 4 Arabs. If you write to my email address, I’d send you the entire .mp4. This is not the first such incident-I have others on request. How long did you spend here Richie? One month?
RS: mean-spirited
TK: Hitler thought of himself as the nicest guy in the world-he just went after everyone who disagreed with him. Gee Richie, doesn’t that sound familiar?
RS: you’ll note Justin’s extreme modesty
“I am probably the strongest convert of my generation.”
TK: Maybe you are right. However, if you ask Rav Ovadia if he was the גדול הדור then he would say yes I’d imagine. If you asked Richard Silverstein is he was the control freak of the generation he’d say yes. NU?
RS: it’s entirely possible White was as insufferable before he became a Jew as after.
TK: Before I was an only child. Now I am a Chosen Only Child.
RS: Instead, he becomes a caricature of the worst that Judaism has to offer.
TK: Richard-I am sure you are talking about yourself. Ruth accepted onto herself עול המצוות this is what is written on an “orthodox” conversion certificate. You and your cronies don’t. You twist her story into something to suit your own philosophy-the is the basis behind Reformianity-Rabbi Brenda’s religion. You never mention that ALL Jews were observant during those times. Those were the glory days of Judaism. David came from Ruth because she, like all Jews, took upon herself all of the Torah’s commandments.
btw: Richie-did you get a box of Tampax for your bar-mitzvah? Seriously-you take the self-hating liberal European Jew a little too far. Did you have a circumcision or a castration? You are a caricature of the worst that NBJ’s (Natural Born Jews) have to offer: self-hating, assimilated, desperate to be accepted, emasculated, overly-sensitive, academic control-freak!
Justin White: Jew as Anti-Semite
RS: the strange attitudes of baal teshuvah, Justin White…
TK: I am strange? Richie you are as queer as folk man-admit it! People here AND there are talking about your HIV+ photo! Another time, someone who doesn’t have a Jewish mother is not a “returnee” to Judaism.
RS: to prove his racial superiority
TK: You are the cause of the tension between people. I am not the only one who says this. Stop it with the gestapo crap man-you are the commander of the Thought Police, Rich-not I.
RS: ..the kind, loving Ruth..
TK: Ruth didn’t have to put up with people like you. There are limits, man. I would bring food even to you Richie if you were starving to death, but not while you are busy conspiring with the enemies of the Jewish nation. Ruth would have smacked your face I’m sure. Her descendants conquered Gaza and the surrounding territories-she lived to see this. I should live to see our enemies conquered-the internal ones as well. Only a man like you would hijack Ruth’s legacy and use it against another convert. This is like spiritual 9-11!
RS: You’ll also note that White claims that the Jewish Theological Seminary, which he claims espouses “Judianity,” is as good as promoting Christianity by bastardizing Judaism.
TK: You want to write than idea again, Rich?
RS: White doesn’t seem to know anything about the language.
TK: The first thing my friends in college did was to tell me about Yiddish. This past Shabbat (10-11-08) I was walking in the Bar-Ilan area of Jerusalem and I talked to people whose שפת אם is Yiddish.
RS: I have never heard Yiddish described as “Germanic-Hebrew”
TK: I never heard it called something else. Another convert יהושע הדר was from Germany and confirmed this (10 years ago in Yeshiva). It is German from the Middle Ages.
RS: You think that saying that Jerusalem should be shared with the Palestinians is “mocking” it??
TK: Jerusalem is the capital of the Land Of Israel. Israel belong to the Jewish people. If I have to quote sources to you on this, then you are so stupid that it is not worth writing these replies to you (which may be the case).
RS: I am not a child. I am the voice of reason & pragmatism. Yours is the voice of the lunatic fringe that would take Israel down the road to ruin.
TK: Arabs and Haredim להבדיל are reproducing fast. They will decide-not you and your descendants. You are a fossil-a glimmer of the past Jewish world-view (secular).
I am entitled to invent what I want.
Yep. What part of that sentence did you not understand? You and all of your Jew-hating trouble makers spend years and tons of money going to University so you can tell Jews and gentiles how much you hate your religion and your own people. You write books and magazines and appear on the TV (especially in Israel). You specialize in mind control-you are the epitome of closeness. If I want to talk about Rabbi Brenda or post-Semitism, than I will and I don’t have to have the kofer-brigade chicken-picking me to death because of it.
In fact, I’ve shown that your own Jewish education has holes big enough to drive a Mack truck through.
Read your blog then read mine. Compare. Done.
Justin White Trots Out the Kapo Insult
RS: foaming-at-the-mouth Jew-hating,
TK: This is where you have no credibility. This is why people on other website make fun of you. I have the highest conversion possible. I learned Hebrew from scratch and I came alone to Israel (completely). Jew-hating? This is why your blog is a rag.
RS: Arab-hating,
TK: I hate anyone who behaves in a disgusting way. The Gemara says:
תלמוד בבלי מסכת פסחים דף קיג/ב
יראת ה’ (שונאי) [שנאת] רע
“Fear of Heaven is the hatred of evil.” Yes Richie, HATRED of evil. Some of our neighbors think about killing Jews 24/7. The don’t stop for Ramadan. If you read my conversion story, you see that I worked for Syrians (no hate there).
RS: Ashkenazi-hating,
TK: You are Ashkenazi and you hate yourself. So you are Ashkenazi-hating, Richie. Like a mathematical proof!
RS: Yiddish-hating
TK: I have lived in Israel for 6 years. No one here friggin cares about Yiddish. Askenazi Haredim don’t pester other people with it. It isn’t their pride and joy-they just speak it and that is it. The people in my essay-Berkowitz-Moore-Kaufman-Cohen-thought of Yiddish as their grandparents’ language. Their grandparents are deceased. Israelis speak Hebrew and Hebrew is the future. Let Europe go.
btw: I work for a Haredi-Ashkenazi Rabbi whose first language is Yiddish. Nu? Whats the problem Richie?
RS: Here he uses the tired Kahanist trope of calling me a Kapo. You’d think after the 20th or 30th time someone tried this here that they’d try to invent a newer, fresher insult:
TK: Where there is smoke there is fire.
Daniel Barenboim, one of the world’s most distinguished conductors,
from Wiki:
“Barenboim originally had been scheduled to perform the first act of Die Walküre with three singers, including tenor Plácido Domingo. However, strong protests by some Holocaust survivors, as well as the Israeli government, led the festival authorities to ask for an alternative program. “
“On January 12, 2008, after a concert in Ramallah, he declared that he had accepted honourary Palestian citizenship,…”
This person played Wagner in Israel, and you are calling me insensitive to Askenazim? You want to answer this? Hopefully he’ll move to Palestine and become part of some Arab’s harem.
Pipes ‘Distinguished Fellow’ at Hoover Institution
RS: …bitter, hateful intellectual petty tyrants like Pipes…
TK: This is Richie’s name-calling at its best! And yet once again he describes himself in the most arrogant way possible. Read what Richie has written above and about anyone else that disagrees with his myopic view of the Jewish world. Bingo-he describes himself to a tee. Unfortunately, like a lot of hypocritical leftists, he can criticize everyone-except himself (the trademark of a small mind).
RS: He has a serious case of self-regard that isn’t justified by the anything more than hype, puffery…
Richie-instead of calling your blog “Tikun Olam” like every other self-hating reform weasel, why don’t you use the above quote to describe your own web page? Sounds like you are jealous of Pipes! Calm down, honey…
RS: With Friends Like Dershowitz, Does Obama Need Enemies?
I can’t tell whether I despise Marty Peretz or Alan Dershowitz more.
TK: Wow-here Richie reveals his true self. Is this anyway to talk about your fellow Jews?
Amitay to J Street: Gloves Are Off
RS: Despite the fact that Amitay has stridently right-wing views about Israel and U.S. politics, I don’t imagine he’d want it known that he’s in cahoots with such extremist groups as ZOA.
TK: What’s the matter Silverstein? Are you afraid that your own religion might actually be correct?
David Shasha’s ‘Obsession’ Review
RS: For someone who accuses the filmmakers of using “pilpul,” it sounds like Shasha needs to wrap his own rhetoric in academic “Ashkenazi” clothes in order to sell his critique of the film. I think any remnants of Sefardic culture have been effectively erased!
TK: …the Jewish-produced documentary “Obsession.”
This sounds like self-hating Ashkenazi. I’d think you were the late Bobby Fischer in disguise!
RS: The motif “Arab as Nazi”
TK: The Arabs pass out the “Protocols”. They says horrific things about Jews (I have been there to hear it). They commit heinous acts against Jews like suicide bombings. Where are you, buddy?
RS: passionate hatred bordering on the pathological
TK: Are you talking about “Tikun Olam?” Aren’t academics like yourself passionate and hateful? You just mask your rage in academic grammar.
RS: fanatical Zionism that is regularly taught in American Jewish Day Schools each and every day
TK: The fact that the Land Of Israel belongs to Jews is part of the Jewish religion. Sefaradim are most known for hibat Tsion “the love of Tsion.” Sefaradim are the CORE of the right-wing in Israel-you know this Mr. Shasha!
RS: Such is the pyrrhic victory..
TK: I think the Pyrrhic victory will be that of assimilated Enlightenment Jews who spent furious energy denouncing their own religion. In the meanwhile, they have 0-2 children and continue to intermarry. Religious Jews are having more and more children and will inevitably be the majority. Thus, all of your ranting and raving is for naught.
Lord of the Land: Some Countries Have an Army, the IDF Has a Country
1. On November 17th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Taming Korach said:
The reason why the IDF is so important is because it and its predecessors (The Hagana and the Irgun) were and ARE involved in continuous wars/conflicts. Many Israelies do army service and there is a draft in Israel. I think comparing it to other “Western countries” is a mistake because Israel is not located in the West and neither are its surrounding neighbors/enemies!
2. On November 17th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Richard Silverstein said:
@Taming Korach:
I think comparing it to other “Western countries” is a mistake
Israel itself wishes to be considered a developed nation and not a 3rd world nation. Israel itself constantly compares itself to western nations. So what you’re saying is that when it’s convenient to you you’d like to compare Israel favorably to western nations. But when it’s not, you can just as easily claim it’s unfair to compare Israel to western countries.
Nice work if you can get it…
3. On November 18th, 2008 at 2:56 am
Taming Korach said:
Richard-I see you interpret everything through Western eyes. You are assuming Western=1st world and non-Western=3rd world. Western in this context I think means Enlightenment values and Western culture. China and Japan are not Western and have risen or are on the rise.
Israel doesn’t know what it is. It doesn’t have a formal constitution. I am not sure if you have been to Israel, but nearly half of the Jews come from Arab countries and then there are the Arabs themselves! Certainly not Western. Officially, Israel is the last country in Asia. Israel has many influences-that is why it sometimes appears to be one or the other. Peres is the President (Poland) but Shlomo Amar (Morocco) is one of the Chief Rabbis. Israel doesn’t “try” to be diverse-it IS. Your portrayal of the country doesn’t always show this fact.
TK: YESSSS! That is the whole point of this blog…Richie-do you wear Wonder-Woman underoos while watching your favorite PBS telethon?
RS: If Tsadok, or whatever he calls himself,…
TK: Maybe I should have been born/chosen a cool name like “Richard Silverstein.” That way I can use self-hate and 2-year-old’s understanding of Judaism to bully the world into hating Israel! The fact that you have reproduced proves that natural selection doesn’t work (the Nazi’s were wrong).
Justin White: Red-Neck ‘Baal Teshuva’
RS: To my utter amazement, a reader wrote to defend Pegler and attack me.
TK: I wasn’t attacking you-I was asking how someone could be considered an “anti-Semite” if he married a Jew. If someone has a Jewish spouse, he is around Semitism all day long. That is common sense. Don’t all of your reform boyfriends have non-Jewish wives? You can identify with that Richie!
RS: Somewhere along the line he converted to Judaism.
TK: Yes-I was walking down the street and a wind blew me into a synagogue (Sefardic).
RS: At one time long ago, our religion actively proselytized.
TK: Huh? When? I lot of people ask me about this comment. Do you mean the reform movement 150 years ago? Aren’t they doing that now?
RS: …we didn’t refuse anyone who wanted to throw in their lot with us.
TK: How about those Jews who throw their lots with the enemy?
ספר דברים פרק כג
לא יבא עמוני ומואבי בקהל יהוה גם דור עשירי לא יבא להם בקהל יהוה עד עולם
Deuteronomy Chapter 23לא יבא עמוני ומואבי בקהל יהוה גם דור עשירי לא יבא להם בקהל יהוה עד עולם
4. An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the Lord forever;
Apparently not dude! Whoops: Rabbi Brenda taught you something WRONG!
RS: Once someone did convert, there were very strict rules insisting that the community embrace baaley teshuva as if they were one of our own.
TK: A convert is someone with a non-Jewish mother. A חוזר בתשובה is someone who has at least a Jewish mother. Read the above response.
RS: But then a piece of work like Justin comes along…
TK: I think you plagiarized this from my mom.
RS: Isn’t it astonishing that some one who claims to be an Orthodox convert would make the claim that he’s witnessed Jewish behavior “many times” worse than anything Pegler noted?
I JUST videotaped a fight between a old Russian man and like 4 Arabs. If you write to my email address, I’d send you the entire .mp4. This is not the first such incident-I have others on request. How long did you spend here Richie? One month?
RS: mean-spirited
TK: Hitler thought of himself as the nicest guy in the world-he just went after everyone who disagreed with him. Gee Richie, doesn’t that sound familiar?
RS: you’ll note Justin’s extreme modesty
“I am probably the strongest convert of my generation.”
TK: Maybe you are right. However, if you ask Rav Ovadia if he was the גדול הדור then he would say yes I’d imagine. If you asked Richard Silverstein is he was the control freak of the generation he’d say yes. NU?
RS: it’s entirely possible White was as insufferable before he became a Jew as after.
TK: Before I was an only child. Now I am a Chosen Only Child.
RS: Instead, he becomes a caricature of the worst that Judaism has to offer.
TK: Richard-I am sure you are talking about yourself. Ruth accepted onto herself עול המצוות this is what is written on an “orthodox” conversion certificate. You and your cronies don’t. You twist her story into something to suit your own philosophy-the is the basis behind Reformianity-Rabbi Brenda’s religion. You never mention that ALL Jews were observant during those times. Those were the glory days of Judaism. David came from Ruth because she, like all Jews, took upon herself all of the Torah’s commandments.
btw: Richie-did you get a box of Tampax for your bar-mitzvah? Seriously-you take the self-hating liberal European Jew a little too far. Did you have a circumcision or a castration? You are a caricature of the worst that NBJ’s (Natural Born Jews) have to offer: self-hating, assimilated, desperate to be accepted, emasculated, overly-sensitive, academic control-freak!
Justin White: Jew as Anti-Semite
RS: the strange attitudes of baal teshuvah, Justin White…
TK: I am strange? Richie you are as queer as folk man-admit it! People here AND there are talking about your HIV+ photo! Another time, someone who doesn’t have a Jewish mother is not a “returnee” to Judaism.
RS: to prove his racial superiority
TK: You are the cause of the tension between people. I am not the only one who says this. Stop it with the gestapo crap man-you are the commander of the Thought Police, Rich-not I.
RS: ..the kind, loving Ruth..
TK: Ruth didn’t have to put up with people like you. There are limits, man. I would bring food even to you Richie if you were starving to death, but not while you are busy conspiring with the enemies of the Jewish nation. Ruth would have smacked your face I’m sure. Her descendants conquered Gaza and the surrounding territories-she lived to see this. I should live to see our enemies conquered-the internal ones as well. Only a man like you would hijack Ruth’s legacy and use it against another convert. This is like spiritual 9-11!
RS: You’ll also note that White claims that the Jewish Theological Seminary, which he claims espouses “Judianity,” is as good as promoting Christianity by bastardizing Judaism.
TK: You want to write than idea again, Rich?
RS: White doesn’t seem to know anything about the language.
TK: The first thing my friends in college did was to tell me about Yiddish. This past Shabbat (10-11-08) I was walking in the Bar-Ilan area of Jerusalem and I talked to people whose שפת אם is Yiddish.
RS: I have never heard Yiddish described as “Germanic-Hebrew”
TK: I never heard it called something else. Another convert יהושע הדר was from Germany and confirmed this (10 years ago in Yeshiva). It is German from the Middle Ages.
RS: You think that saying that Jerusalem should be shared with the Palestinians is “mocking” it??
TK: Jerusalem is the capital of the Land Of Israel. Israel belong to the Jewish people. If I have to quote sources to you on this, then you are so stupid that it is not worth writing these replies to you (which may be the case).
RS: I am not a child. I am the voice of reason & pragmatism. Yours is the voice of the lunatic fringe that would take Israel down the road to ruin.
TK: Arabs and Haredim להבדיל are reproducing fast. They will decide-not you and your descendants. You are a fossil-a glimmer of the past Jewish world-view (secular).
I am entitled to invent what I want.
Yep. What part of that sentence did you not understand? You and all of your Jew-hating trouble makers spend years and tons of money going to University so you can tell Jews and gentiles how much you hate your religion and your own people. You write books and magazines and appear on the TV (especially in Israel). You specialize in mind control-you are the epitome of closeness. If I want to talk about Rabbi Brenda or post-Semitism, than I will and I don’t have to have the kofer-brigade chicken-picking me to death because of it.
In fact, I’ve shown that your own Jewish education has holes big enough to drive a Mack truck through.
Read your blog then read mine. Compare. Done.
Justin White Trots Out the Kapo Insult
RS: foaming-at-the-mouth Jew-hating,
TK: This is where you have no credibility. This is why people on other website make fun of you. I have the highest conversion possible. I learned Hebrew from scratch and I came alone to Israel (completely). Jew-hating? This is why your blog is a rag.
RS: Arab-hating,
TK: I hate anyone who behaves in a disgusting way. The Gemara says:
תלמוד בבלי מסכת פסחים דף קיג/ב
יראת ה’ (שונאי) [שנאת] רע
“Fear of Heaven is the hatred of evil.” Yes Richie, HATRED of evil. Some of our neighbors think about killing Jews 24/7. The don’t stop for Ramadan. If you read my conversion story, you see that I worked for Syrians (no hate there).
RS: Ashkenazi-hating,
TK: You are Ashkenazi and you hate yourself. So you are Ashkenazi-hating, Richie. Like a mathematical proof!
RS: Yiddish-hating
TK: I have lived in Israel for 6 years. No one here friggin cares about Yiddish. Askenazi Haredim don’t pester other people with it. It isn’t their pride and joy-they just speak it and that is it. The people in my essay-Berkowitz-Moore-Kaufman-Cohen-thought of Yiddish as their grandparents’ language. Their grandparents are deceased. Israelis speak Hebrew and Hebrew is the future. Let Europe go.
btw: I work for a Haredi-Ashkenazi Rabbi whose first language is Yiddish. Nu? Whats the problem Richie?
RS: Here he uses the tired Kahanist trope of calling me a Kapo. You’d think after the 20th or 30th time someone tried this here that they’d try to invent a newer, fresher insult:
TK: Where there is smoke there is fire.
Daniel Barenboim, one of the world’s most distinguished conductors,
from Wiki:
“Barenboim originally had been scheduled to perform the first act of Die Walküre with three singers, including tenor Plácido Domingo. However, strong protests by some Holocaust survivors, as well as the Israeli government, led the festival authorities to ask for an alternative program. “
“On January 12, 2008, after a concert in Ramallah, he declared that he had accepted honourary Palestian citizenship,…”
This person played Wagner in Israel, and you are calling me insensitive to Askenazim? You want to answer this? Hopefully he’ll move to Palestine and become part of some Arab’s harem.
Pipes ‘Distinguished Fellow’ at Hoover Institution
RS: …bitter, hateful intellectual petty tyrants like Pipes…
TK: This is Richie’s name-calling at its best! And yet once again he describes himself in the most arrogant way possible. Read what Richie has written above and about anyone else that disagrees with his myopic view of the Jewish world. Bingo-he describes himself to a tee. Unfortunately, like a lot of hypocritical leftists, he can criticize everyone-except himself (the trademark of a small mind).
RS: He has a serious case of self-regard that isn’t justified by the anything more than hype, puffery…
Richie-instead of calling your blog “Tikun Olam” like every other self-hating reform weasel, why don’t you use the above quote to describe your own web page? Sounds like you are jealous of Pipes! Calm down, honey…
RS: With Friends Like Dershowitz, Does Obama Need Enemies?
I can’t tell whether I despise Marty Peretz or Alan Dershowitz more.
TK: Wow-here Richie reveals his true self. Is this anyway to talk about your fellow Jews?
Amitay to J Street: Gloves Are Off
RS: Despite the fact that Amitay has stridently right-wing views about Israel and U.S. politics, I don’t imagine he’d want it known that he’s in cahoots with such extremist groups as ZOA.
TK: What’s the matter Silverstein? Are you afraid that your own religion might actually be correct?
David Shasha’s ‘Obsession’ Review
RS: For someone who accuses the filmmakers of using “pilpul,” it sounds like Shasha needs to wrap his own rhetoric in academic “Ashkenazi” clothes in order to sell his critique of the film. I think any remnants of Sefardic culture have been effectively erased!
TK: …the Jewish-produced documentary “Obsession.”
This sounds like self-hating Ashkenazi. I’d think you were the late Bobby Fischer in disguise!
RS: The motif “Arab as Nazi”
TK: The Arabs pass out the “Protocols”. They says horrific things about Jews (I have been there to hear it). They commit heinous acts against Jews like suicide bombings. Where are you, buddy?
RS: passionate hatred bordering on the pathological
TK: Are you talking about “Tikun Olam?” Aren’t academics like yourself passionate and hateful? You just mask your rage in academic grammar.
RS: fanatical Zionism that is regularly taught in American Jewish Day Schools each and every day
TK: The fact that the Land Of Israel belongs to Jews is part of the Jewish religion. Sefaradim are most known for hibat Tsion “the love of Tsion.” Sefaradim are the CORE of the right-wing in Israel-you know this Mr. Shasha!
RS: Such is the pyrrhic victory..
TK: I think the Pyrrhic victory will be that of assimilated Enlightenment Jews who spent furious energy denouncing their own religion. In the meanwhile, they have 0-2 children and continue to intermarry. Religious Jews are having more and more children and will inevitably be the majority. Thus, all of your ranting and raving is for naught.
Lord of the Land: Some Countries Have an Army, the IDF Has a Country
1. On November 17th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Taming Korach said:
The reason why the IDF is so important is because it and its predecessors (The Hagana and the Irgun) were and ARE involved in continuous wars/conflicts. Many Israelies do army service and there is a draft in Israel. I think comparing it to other “Western countries” is a mistake because Israel is not located in the West and neither are its surrounding neighbors/enemies!
2. On November 17th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Richard Silverstein said:
@Taming Korach:
I think comparing it to other “Western countries” is a mistake
Israel itself wishes to be considered a developed nation and not a 3rd world nation. Israel itself constantly compares itself to western nations. So what you’re saying is that when it’s convenient to you you’d like to compare Israel favorably to western nations. But when it’s not, you can just as easily claim it’s unfair to compare Israel to western countries.
Nice work if you can get it…
3. On November 18th, 2008 at 2:56 am
Taming Korach said:
Richard-I see you interpret everything through Western eyes. You are assuming Western=1st world and non-Western=3rd world. Western in this context I think means Enlightenment values and Western culture. China and Japan are not Western and have risen or are on the rise.
Israel doesn’t know what it is. It doesn’t have a formal constitution. I am not sure if you have been to Israel, but nearly half of the Jews come from Arab countries and then there are the Arabs themselves! Certainly not Western. Officially, Israel is the last country in Asia. Israel has many influences-that is why it sometimes appears to be one or the other. Peres is the President (Poland) but Shlomo Amar (Morocco) is one of the Chief Rabbis. Israel doesn’t “try” to be diverse-it IS. Your portrayal of the country doesn’t always show this fact.
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